Bill Kaulitz Lip Syncing?

[effy]

VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i53zV4P2lg0


Scandale Tokio Hotel : Bill Kaulitz chante en playback
Les fans allemands du groupe Tokio Hotel présents pour leur concert vendredi dernier à Dortmund n’en ont pas cru leurs oreilles : Bill Kaulitz s’est permis de chanter en playback sur la chanson Vergessene Kinder !

Bill Kaulitz souffrirait-il encore de son opération aux cordes vocales et tenterait de le cacher à ses fans ? Mais qu’arrive-t-il vraiment à Tokio Hotel a quelques jours de leur concert parisien au Parc des Princes ? Le jeune Bill, sûr de lui, enchaine les concerts comme les cigarettes. Alcool, tabac et chansons ne font pourtant pas bon ménage.

La vidéo est cruelle pour Bill et ses copains du groupe TH : au début quand Bill
arrive sur scène (loin du public) son micro n’est pas branché et on entend un peu sa voix. Ensuite, la bande son démarre mal calée avec le refrain en avance sur le couplet. Une grave erreur de production qui cache sans doute une grosse arnaque !

C’est vraiment dommage pour Tokio Hotel d’en arriver à ce point, surtout que Bill Kaulitz ne s’est toujours pas expliqué auprès de ses fans… On attend vraiment de savoir ce que vont faire les Tokio Hotel ce samedi pour le public français. Une chose est sûre : les fans devront être très attentifs et ne pas trop les idolâtrer !


Google Translation:



Bill Kaulitz sings playback!
Scandal Tokio Hotel: Bill Kaulitz sings playback
The German fans group Tokio Hotel to present their concert last Friday in Dortmund did not believe their ears: Bill Kaulitz was allowed to sing a song playback on Vergessene Kinder!

Bill Kaulitz it still suffers from its operations to the vocal cords and attempting to hide its fans? But what happens really Tokio Hotel a few days of their concert in Paris at the Parc des Princes? The young Bill, self-confident, "says the concerts as cigarettes. Alcohol, Tobacco and songs do not mix.

The video is cruel to Bill and his cronies group TH: at the beginning when Bill arrives on stage (far from the public) his microphone is not connected and we heard a little voice. Next, the band's set started badly with the refrain ahead of the couplet. A serious mistake production cache without doubt a big scam!

It's really a shame for Tokio Hotel to reach this point, especially since Bill Kaulitz has still not explained to his fans… It looks really know what will make the Tokio Hotel on Saturday for the public french . One thing is sure: the fans should be very careful and not too idolize!


... WOWWWWWWWW!

So i'm on the American forums and some of them aren't too happy about this... here are some quotes:




i don't care whether it was one song, two songs, all songs or part of one song. when i go to a live concert, i want NOTHING but live music. i have a hard time dealing with samples that some bands are keen on using but having vocals in playback is the biggest no-go ever. that is NOT what i'm paying for.



i'm just saying it's dumb-ass stupid to attempt playback during a live show and i really hope that this was the first and last time i'll have to experience that at a live show. TH or not TH, i'm not supporting a band doing playback, no matter whether it's "just one song" or not.
being sick is human and i bet nobody would have had a problem if VG had been dropped from the set because Bill can't reach the high notes yet or something.

[THFan2]

the question is: Why sings Bill the Part in the beginning? The Refrain on the beginning? :( A Playback-Mistake?

Her sound is too good for live a little bit, but couple Strophes are to fast over (when i compare with the CD-Version)... hmm... i don´t know :?: maybe with a little bit Playback? xD

[rescued]

They seriously messed up the song I'll give you that, but it's not playback/lipsync if you ask me...
I wasn't there but because Bill has a towel around his neck I guess the song is part of an encore ..
I have never heard him sing out of tune (key) nor with such bad timing so
A) the volume of his mic is too low
b) something is wrong with his earmonitor (he can't really hear the band)
c) the bass is too loud
d) all of the above ..

I have only just seen the video once, but maybe they changed the key in which they play the song to make it somewhat easier for Bill to sing and in the heat of the moment Bill sang in a different key than Bill and Georg where playing ..

Personally I blame Gustav, this evil mastermind has been trying to take over the band for ages now :lol:

I read some review that they weren't as playful as they usually are, maybe this was the reason.

On a side note, I remember a live video from Oasis where Noel Gallagher did a song in an acoustic set and when he played some wrong chords he stopped halfway through and said : I f*cked that right up. ;)

[mella]

The person who uploaded the vid wrote this:

And for all fans again: IT IS NOT PLAYBACK!!
They just fucked up the beginning.

[ecli10]

i think that they just really messed up really bad.

[cool.girl_laura]

The person who uploaded the vid wrote this:

And for all fans again: IT IS NOT PLAYBACK!!
They just fucked up the beginning.
We can know that only if we can ask them

[forumadmin]

I've watched videos of VK from Dortmund loads of times since this 'scandal' broke. I've watched different recordings from parts of the arena. There's definitely some playback underneath Tom's guitar intro. It kicks in from the middle of the song. Then around one minute in, Bill's live voice comes through and the playback is faded out. Listen to the words. They are from different parts of the song.

Besides which, at one point there's drums when Gustav isn't even sat at his drumkit.

Whatever happened was a serious screw up. I don't know what was supposed to happen - whether Bill was supposed to lip sync or not - but, it's really not good. Really bad.

Claire

[Kim]

Source: Youtube comments

"There wasn't playback, Tom's guitar was too loud, Bill's mic was to silent, that caused Tom to mess up with the Verse,
They're just humans for god sake, they make mistakes to!"

"the volume got messed up so Tom's guitar went down and Georg's bass went up or something.

There was something wrong with the volume of the instruments."

I don't know what happened, but your theory sounds just about correct Claire.
It was totally messed up though, bless them! >.<

[Kim]

Watching again, I think it definately is playback then.
Poor Tom, he looked rather confused! o_O

[ForeverxSacred]

Well, there was a tape at the background..
And they started it at the wrong time..
I think it was in case Bill's voice didn't want to work.. ;)

and it can't always be perfect. -.-'
I mean, It can always happen. :roll:

And Tom was confused..
So he played wrong..
And you couldn't hear Bill ..
And Tom's guitar was way to loud :']

But It can always happen!

[effy]

No offence, but how does the track for VK have anything to
do with Tom's guitar? D: Like, the chorus starts randomly playing from a cd-track at the very beginning, it's like someone accidentally fast-forwarded the song Bill was going to lip sync.

From what I'm hearing, from the people who were at the show, he was going to use that track to either back up his vocals in the background or lip sync some of the song, i don't know...

[forumadmin]

I suspect he was going to use it to back up his voice, but the tech guy accidentally started it mid song and the whole thing came to the disasterous conclusion that it did. Lets just hope they chnage their minds about using playback under their live sound again. I don't see how that works anyway, but I'm no technical expert.

Claire

[effy]

^ I agree completely.

I'm guessing his voice isn't back to normal yet because of
the operation... maybe he should've replaced the song with something else, I don't know.

[ecli10]

if it is a playback or not i think it doesn't matter what matters is what is happening with bill. cause he doesn't seem like the type of singer that would lip sing. maybe he got out of rehab too soon. because at the avalon concert for some songs his voice would go down.

also ( plz don't hate me) i think we are making a big deal out of this. we should give him a break. if he did playback then lets hope he doesn't do it again. probably this time it was necessarly cause this was a big concert compared to the ones here in america.

[Sandrine]

First of all, I was there. And for sure, Tom played wrong, so that was NOT playback. I still don't know if this song had a tape as backvocals but I just listened my videos from the gig and I'm sure they didn't do playback through the concert because Bill was definately making mistakes and he sang lower in many song. Very bad tapes, if they did. ;) When it comes to this song, I think they just were offlined, so they couldn't hear each other. And for sure, they have backing vocals on VK because there is this choir anyway.

[Kim]

^Tom played wrong?
He was playing the intro correctly, and then suddenly sound came out of nowhere though? X| *Confused*

[Germanlicious]

I was on that concert and Bill DIDN´T sing playback. I think there was an intro (on tape) planed in Vergessene Kinder and the crew simply messed up to turn it off before Bill entered the stage. I didn´t here Bill singing in the beginning of Ich brech aus as well, but I didn´t here a tape either. The microphone was not on. THESE MISTAKES CAN HAPPEN. And I´m sure they happen to other bands as well. It was my 5th concert of TH and Bill never sang playback. And he won´t in the future. I´m sure of that.

[Rey Eddie Hernández]

Poor Tokio Hotel and poor Bill we're questioning their ability and we're fans.

They make ONE mistake and we can't seem to shut up about it.
Let it pass please.

VK needs a backing because they have children in the background. Bill never uses playback in concerts and believe me it's not that hard to tell.

[pixie posh ++]

wow ! i just think that tom played wrong .
& the guitar just too loud .
its so weird on the begining, they played intro & then reff, then they back to intro again . .
i dk . . :roll:

[joyce239]

First, I don't understand why this is a scandal. Come on, it's just a small mistake. Things like that happen.

I believe the tape was used to back-up Bill's vocals because VK is a powerful song and it has children singing behind it. The intro was just really screwed up because the tape was played too early.

[laura. <3]

Aww, poor guys.
But I don't understand why it's a scandale either ?
Even if they did use playback, then it was just one song, c'moon, they're just humans and Bill did sing all the other songs, right ? So I don't understand what's so bad. It really sucks when fans are mad at them for that. AND it didn't even maybe happen, we don't know for sure. Just stupid.

[Phabio]

I'm sure it was nothing more than a technical error. I mean, the music wasn't in sync with the song, and Bill wasn't lip syncing either; he waited for the music to stop before he started singing for real.


I think the media has blown this way out of proportion, and this has caused the fans to rile up as well. It was a mistake, but the song wasn't sung as playback.


EDIT: locking this... I think we all agree, the media are just being assholes about this. We all know it wasn't Bill or Tom's fault [or Georg or Gustav for that matter].