Bill Wants to Fall In Love - RTL Punkt 27.08.2009

[mollie]

Bill wants to fall in love!

Link video: http://tokiohotelnetwork.com/bill-wants-to-fall-in-love/
http://tokiohotelnetwork.com/tom-no-those-werent-fans-at-all/

In a new interview before the Nokia concert with RTL Punkt in Germany the boys talk about love, Tom admits he’s had his heart broken, and Gustav says he’s healed just fine.

Bill: I desperately want to fall in love, and I have ever since this whole thing with Tokio Hotel started. It’s just really unrealistic with the life we’re currently living; only Georg got really lucky, and I am a bit jealous of that, I have to say.

Bill: Three of us are still single, only Georg is in love!
Georg: I am taken, have been for a little over half a year.
Bill: You don’t say.
Georg: Yes.
Tom: Sad, it’s extremely sad.
Georg: Well, of course you’re jealous of that a bit…
Tom: A whole world crumbled for me, I’d been really in love with Georg.

Gustav: It all healed just fine, everything is okay.
(But Gustav wants to continue partying with out bodyguards.
Gustav: I am not going to change anything, I will go out on my own.
Bill: Those decisions, we all have to make for ourselves. Tom and I don’t do that, for example. I wouldn’t go out without a bodyguard.

Speaker: No bodyguards needed in Cologne. There was only pure Tokio Hotel with no incidents at all.

On the stalkers:
Tom: They were absolutely not fans.
That had nothing to do with being a fan.
These were just some people who were…extremely…..disturbed, who had extreme problems with their lives and they need help, anyways.
The bad part about this was that family and friends got involved in this and that is what made this whole case really bad.

[deejaykaulitz]

omg omg awwww

[ray_ray2384]

Bill, Tom, and Gustav:

I truly hope you will all find the love you are wanting/looking for! Georg is very lucky/blessed to find a special girl to love. In time, the same will happen for the rest of you!!!


and...............I knew Tom was in love with Georg!!!! :lol: Awww!!! His heart is broken now!


I think it is very courageous/slightly stubborn of Gustav to insist that he can live his life as normal as he can w/o the help of bodyguards. It seems he will not allow that one incident to change the way he chooses to live life.

But, Bill wants his protection! lol!!!!

This news will make most fangirls happy now!

[cowninjababex]

Tom: A whole world crumbled for me, I’d been really in love with Georg
Couldn't stop laughing at that... xD
To Gustav, Bill, and Tom :
You'll all fall in love eventually. I mean, with all those female fans out there...
it's pretty possible.
HANG IN THERE GUYS
<3

[concertchk]

Cool interview..... it is really unrealistic with the life they lead, but you know.. I mean it can happen to any one of them.. look at Georg... bless his heart....and one day I'm sure the guys will find True Love it's hard with everything going on in there life.. but hey.. .. it will happen one day... :)

I'm still on the undershirt photo myself.. *shivers*.. HA...and Poor Tom.. his hopes and dreams shattered because Georg found love.. oh the HORROR!!.. HA.. LOL I love his sarcasm... it's awesome.. HA

[Humanoid*starr]

Lol okay...

[Czeckita1024]

Tom cracks me up with his comments. Too funny. Awww Georgie porgie broke his wittle heart....lol

[.troy.]

Awwe how sweet

I hope they all find love.

Georg looks like, he looks happier, doesn't he just give off like vibes of bliss? He just looks better since falling in love :]

[midnight_epiphany]

Maybe Georg's happiness is what inspired Tom to change his tune about love.

[O3FC]

D'aww, everyone's jealous of Georg.
Someone'll pop out of somewhere for the rest of the guys soon enough. [:
And, that's a good point. Seeing how happy Georg was made Tom think about how he could be like that too, if only he changed his ways. D;

[.troy.]

Maybe Georg's happiness is what inspired Tom to change his tune about love.

oh my god, maybe you're right! I didn't think of that :O

[vatefairefoutre]

Tom: Sad, it’s extremely sad.
Georg: Well, of course you’re jealous of that a bit…
Tom: A whole world crumbled for me, I’d been really in love with Georg.

HAHAHA

love me some Torg. :laugh:

[tokiohotelcrazy08]

Hey yall it's a video of it. I think. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6NebcRCbro

[rockerme]

i want 2 fall in luv 2! bill is not the only one! lol but seriously i do.
Luv will find me.

[CocoRockStar]

Gustav is brave, I wouldn't be going out by myself after that happened!

And don't be sad Tom! Lol

[rockerme]

gustav is ****in bold!i luv that u should be!

[tokiohotelcrazy08]

Happy B-day Coco. :-P

[CocoRockStar]

Happy B-day Coco. :-P

Thanks Brittany! :-D

[midnight_epiphany]

Tom did look sad, especially at the beginning of the interview. He almost looked like he'd been crying or was about to. Maybe he was just tired.

[vatefairefoutre]

i want 2 fall in luv 2! bill is not the only one! lol but seriously i do.
Luv will find me.

ewwww why oh WHY would you want to fall in LOVE?!

just kidding :laugh:

[Babbity Rabbity]

:laugh:

How could Georg break Tom's heart like that? I guess Georg dumped Tom because he was too much of a tease :laugh:

[FairyWings]

LMAO Tom you never fail to crack me up with your comments :laugh:

[Brooke]

Tom did look sad, especially at the beginning of the interview. He almost looked like he'd been crying or was about to. Maybe he was just tired.

I noticed that too. Couldn't figure if it was just fatigue or sadness I was noticing.


Loved his blunt analysis of the stalkers!
With all the upcoming interviews though, I hope Tom doesn't get a billion questions about them. I'm sure he wants to focus on happier topics now.

[midnight_epiphany]

I noticed that too. Couldn't figure if it was just fatigue or sadness I was noticing.


Loved his blunt analysis of the stalkers!
With all the upcoming interviews though, I hope Tom doesn't get a billion questions about them. I'm sure he wants to focus on happier topics now.

I'm a bit surprised they even allowed a question about them.

[Amdee]

Oh, poor Tom! We feel you, we really do... :grin:

I'm pretty sure TH must answer to the questions about stalkers at some point. It just won't go away, so I can't see why they couldn't do it right now. The more they avoid the subject the more it will get attention on media in a long run. You know how it is with secrets. Tom's answer was good, diplomatic and mature. Surely those words were carefully concidered, but in any case it was a good answer from him.

[Karine180490]

Good for George, it's nice to fall in love / I hope that Bill finds the perfect girl for him / Poor little Tom, better luck next / Gustav's crazy, but also brave, you better start taking care, there is people can do everything.

[rockerme]

i want 2 fall in love so bad,i hope i find the perfect guy or he can find me either way:D

[Winter]

:laugh: tom is hilarious I swear lol I love his answer with the stalker thing very straight forward straight to the point. Nice interview.

[Flieger]

ROFL!

:laugh:

Good ol' Tom...

[Humanoid*starr]

Bill wants to fall in love? What else is new? Lol.

Hahaha tell me about it.
Bill: I want to find love so bad...
*snore* *snore* *snore* lmao

[midnight_epiphany]

Aww, come on you guys, give poor Bill a break. :sad1:

I'd rather hear him talk about true love than listen to Tom's bragging about girls. And thankfully, it seems that I won't have to listen to the latter anymore. :grin:

[rockerme]

Aww, come on you guys, give poor Bill a break. :sad1:

I'd rather hear him talk about true love than listen to Tom's bragging about girls. And thankfully, it seems that I won't have to listen to the latter anymore. :grin:

yeah,i know i really really want to find true love bad to.

[Humanoid*starr]

Hahahha we'll its boring already! He better start talkin bout the nip-ring that's more juicy. And love comes to you unexpectedly :)

[midnight_epiphany]

yeah,i know i really really want to find true love bad to.

So do I.

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[ray_ray2384]

Bill wants to fall in love? What else is new? Lol.

yeah, I know right! :lol:


If he continues this same talk until the end of this year. I am going to assume he's just bluffing! lol!!!!!

[midnight_epiphany]

You three. :laugh: Maybe Bill is saying that he wants true love, because he wants true love and hasn't found it yet. I think that could be one possible explanation.

[FairyWings]

hey! no making fun of Billa's true love speech! lol aww I feel the same way *hides*

[midnight_epiphany]

Thank you FairyWings for the support of true love. :mrgreen:

[ray_ray2384]

I do believe that Bill wants true love. Always did. But, if he can't or won't have a gf right now because of the demands of his career. He should just say: I don't want a gf right now. and be done with it. I mean, Tom did say that yes, he wants to fall in love. But, he has no time for relationships right now.

Bill sounds like a broken record saying the same thing over and over again.
:lol:

But! Georg has found a special someone!!!! Lucky him! Too bad will never see a pic of her. I just hope the media will leave him alone though. I do want to know who this girl is. But, at the same time, I know that Georg doesn't want to reveal her identity.

[midnight_epiphany]

I do believe that Bill wants true love. Always did. But, if he can't or won't have a gf right now because of the demands of his career. He should just say: I don't want a gf right now. and be done with it. I mean, Tom did say that yes, he wants to fall in love. But, he has no time for relationships right now.

Bill sounds like a broken record saying the same thing over and over again.
:lol:
You're making it sound again like Bill is just telling fangirls what he thinks they want to hear. Maybe he really does want a gf right now, just as he says, but can't find the right one. I certainly know what that's like (bf, not gf). :laugh:

I do love arguing with you like this, but I was headed to bed 1/2 hour ago. I have to be at work at 7a. So good night and maybe we can continue to not budge an inch on our opinions tomorrow, same time, same place. :grin:

[ray_ray2384]

well, to say you are desperate for love would mean you'd do anything to make sure you are in a relationship.

i don't think think bill is doing that. He has his career to worry about.

So, that is why i think he doesn't want a girl right now. But, will continue to say he does want true love.

I mean, it does keep fangirls happy knowing bill still wants true love!

Don't you think?

[midnight_epiphany]

I mean, it does keep fangirls happy knowing bill still wants true love!

Don't you think?

It certainly makes me happy knowing he wants that happiness. I'd be even happier knowing that he actually had it. :smile:

[ray_ray2384]

oh yeah, i totally believe he wants love.

I just don't think he wants a gf right now.

[rockerme]

we cant if he wants a gf at this point! he only knows!

[midnight_epiphany]

He's obviously not actively looking for love, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want it.

How is it obvious that he's not actively looking? We have no idea what he gets up to off camera. *wink*

[Humanoid*starr]

Maybe he could meet someone at a party like Georg. She could be a fan but...
Yea the thing is that when you meet them in places where they there as 'Tokio Hotel' they just gonna see you as just a fan that's there for their autograph. I think that he could date a fan but maybe meet her in other surroundingsWhere he's not there as an 'artist' but Bill the person. Because he's gonna think that you want him as 'Bill Kaulitz from TH' not just Bill...

[midnight_epiphany]

I don't think he'd ***** about it if he was. :laugh:

Hmmm, interesting. I ***** about my single status, and I consider myself to be looking, but I don't know what you would define as 'actively'.

I'm not signed up to any dating/matchmaking sites and I'm not begging everyone I know to set me up on blind dates, becasue a) I'd rather pick my own dates and b) I'd rather meet someone naturally and not have it seem forced. (a and b might be 2 different ways of saying the same thing.)

On the other hand, I do go out and about and if a nice man approached me and politely asked me for a date, I would not turn him down.

So would you say that I'm actively looking or not?

[midnight_epiphany]

I think you're right.

But that doesn't change the fact that we don't know for sure what Bill is doing.

[IAdoreHimAllTheMore]

I think he really might just want the best of both worlds, even though I'm sure he knows that's highly improbable. He's obviously not actively looking for love, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want it.

^^I think that's 100% true.

[ray_ray2384]

yeah, that's what i think. i think he realizes having a gf right now wouldn't mesh well with his career ambitions.

so, he still says he wants true love. But, that doesn't mean he wants a relationship right now.

[midnight_epiphany]

Of course I'm right.

But notice that I did not imply that I was wrong, merely that we were in agreement. How so very wise of you to think like me. :grin:


I still have an opinion, and god******, that opinion is going to be heard!

Oh, I know.:roll: :laugh:

[ray_ray2384]

Ha! i think bill may have met a couple of potential gf's during his career.

Bill has always said that music is number one in his life. So, if he were to meet a girl he likes, realizes relaitonship wouldn't work while he's super busy with career. I think he'd put the relationship on hold.

[Humanoid*starr]

Ha! i think bill may have met a couple of potential gf's during his career.

Bill has always said that music is number one in his life. So, if he were to meet a girl he likes, realizes relaitonship wouldn't work while he's super busy with career. I think he'd put the relationship on hold.

ja thats true!

[.troy.]

Ha! i think bill may have met a couple of potential gf's during his career.

I agree. But it's just so sad that if he had, he decided against dating if not for his career, then for the fans. I'm positive that if Bill fell in love with someone, he'd find a way to make the relationship work out.

[Humanoid*starr]

I agree. But it's just so sad that if he had, he decided against dating if not for his career, then for the fans. I'm positive that if Bill fell in love with someone, he'd find a way to make the relationship work out.



I agree! That's what I always say also... He would make things work no matter, especially if he's sure that the girl feels the same for him.

[ray_ray2384]

i'm not too sure if he is looking for his One and only.

============

but, i do believe he would put a relationship on hold in order to focus on his career, especially at a time when the band is trying to break new ground and become even more successful.

[midnight_epiphany]

It's quite possible to have a career, even a busy one, and begin a successful relationship at the same time. It's not easy necessarily, no relationship is, but it is possible.

[ray_ray2384]

yes, it's possible. But, is it the best thing to do?

I would say no. You can't build a relationship if can barely find time to talk to the man/woman.

[midnight_epiphany]

yes, it's possible. But, is it the best thing to do?

I would say no. You can't build a relationship if can barely find time to talk to the man/woman.

Web cam. Phone. Email. You can always find a few moments here and there. And if both partners are committed to making it work, it can work. I know from experience. :geek1: Even though it didn't work out in my case, it was because of something unrelated to the long distance issue.

[ray_ray2384]

I think Bills wants a relationship that will be very physical. and I don't mean sex! :lol:

He will need his girl by his side, to support him.

[Humanoid*starr]

I think Bills wants a relationship that will be very physical. and I don't mean sex! :lol:

He will need his girl by his side, to support him.



Yup he would hate to be away from her for long periods of time.

[midnight_epiphany]

I think Bills wants a relationship that will be very physical. and I don't mean sex! :lol:

He will need his girl by his side, to support him.

Well then he needs to take her with him wherever he goes and she can help shoulder the demands of his busy career. Lots of togetherness, lots of sharing, lots of talking. Problem solved. :smile:

[ray_ray2384]

yes, and according to the new interview i just posted, Bill needs a girl who can leave her life in order to be with him.

[Winter]

Well we wouldn't work cause I don't think I could do that for any man I'm with I'd just feel weird...unless I like worked with the band in some way or something then I could see that but I just have to be doing something.

[midnight_epiphany]

yes, and according to the new interview i just posted, Bill needs a girl who can leave her life in order to be with him.

What I just said! And that's why he needs someone older, emotionally mature and experienced at life. *hint, hint* :cool: :laugh:

[ray_ray2384]

What I just said! And that's why he needs someone older, emotionally mature and experienced at life. *hint, hint* :cool: :laugh:

I agree, Elle!

Well, it's nice to hear the same things from Bill's mouth!

Eventhough, some of us having been saying the same thing for months!

:lol:

[Humanoid*starr]

yes, and according to the new interview i just posted, Bill needs a girl who can leave her life in order to be with him.



I did that once and I regret it now!!

[midnight_epiphany]

Well we wouldn't work cause I don't think I could do that for any man I'm with I'd just feel weird...unless I like worked with the band in some way or something then I could see that but I just have to be doing something.

And at one time, I was going to give up everything, move the to Middle East and be house-bound, except for the times when my husband would escort me out in public. He at least was going to let me work for an American company, but he'd still have to take me to and from. :roll: Living on a tour bus and constantly traveling around would be like paradise compared to that.

[Winter]

I did that once and I regret it now!!



So have my sisters and I've learned from them not saying that if others do it that it wouldn't work out for that couple..but I've seen the women in my life give up way to much in their lives just to be with their men only for them to break up some years later and they had to start over from scratch....

[midnight_epiphany]

I agree, Elle!

Well, it's nice to hear the same things from Bill's mouth!

Eventhough, some of us having been saying the same thing for months!

:lol:
Right! The Göttinen know all. Bill needs to listen to us more. :mrgreen:

[Humanoid*starr]

So have my sisters and I've learned from them not saying that if others do it that it wouldn't work out for that couple..but I've seen the women in my life give up way to much in their lives just to be with their men only for them to break up some years later and they had to start over from scratch....




Exactly!! It held me back from doing what I wanted to my whole life. I left my own dreams to be with him. He's a great guy but I need to do my own thing. And thank God my carreer is going great and that experience made me so much more stronger and believe in myself...

Bill needs to understand that no matter how much a girl loves him she will want to feel sufficient and just like he wanted to have hus dream come true she might want the same thing also. He can't be selfish. and is she says: baby I can't go with you here I gotta go to school or I have an interview I can't miss this opportunity.

Hopefully he won't think that she doesn't love him...

[midnight_epiphany]

Maybe when Bill finally falls in love, he'll want to give up the life he knows for her. Anything could happen.

[rockerme]

Maybe when Bill finally falls in love, he'll want to give up the life he knows for her. Anything could happen.

that would be sweet:)

[vatefairefoutre]

NO! some girl better not **** up Tokio Hotel and make Bill want to not work as hard or give up things like that on his end. I'd be totally mad. let's hope anything but THAT happens. hahaha! :laugh:

[midnight_epiphany]

that would be sweet:)

Wouldn't it though? I'm not sure if I can see him being that selfless, but you never know. Love can make you do things you didn't think possible. :smile:

[midnight_epiphany]

NO! some girl better not **** up Tokio Hotel and make Bill want to not work as hard or give up things like that on his end. I'd be totally mad. let's hope anything but THAT happens. hahaha! :laugh:

Georg and Gustav can sing, so Bill is redundant.:geek1: :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

Georg and Gustav can sing, so Bill is redundant.:geek1: :laugh:

hahahaha!

we all know there'd be no TH without Bill! hahaha that'd be totally not even right...

[ray_ray2384]

Maybe when Bill finally falls in love, he'll want to give up the life he knows for her. Anything could happen.

no! :lol:

I do not want to see TH come to an end because of a girl! lol!!!

[midnight_epiphany]

hahahaha!

we all know there'd be no TH without Bill! hahaha that'd be totally not even right...

So many fans refer to themselves as bi-Kaulitz, so you really only need one or the other, not both. So Tom will do. :grin:


no! :lol:

I do not want to see TH come to an end because of a girl! lol!!!

TH won't end, they'll just become a trio.:geek1:

[tokiohotelcrazy08]

If Bill left, I wouldn't even shed one tear, jk jk? lol idk I would still support them if Tom is still there. lol

[ray_ray2384]

So many fans refer to themselves as bi-Kaulitz, so you really only need one or the other, not both. So Tom will do. :grin:



TH won't end, they'll just become a trio.:geek1:

I like the band just fine with four members! lol!!!!

[vatefairefoutre]

y'all know there'd be no Tokio Hotel without Bill so shove it! :laugh:

it'd be totally wrong if any of them left! hahaha

[tokiohotelcrazy08]

Which is unfortunately. lol :laugh:

[Adrienne]

How does he expect a girl to give her life up?
That's asking alot, espicially if your 20, have your whole life ahead of you and don't know if you'll be with them forever.

[ray_ray2384]

Who says he wants a young girl?

Maybe he'd like to date an older woman? Someone who's experienced at life and knows what she wants and is ready/willing to make that sacrifice.

[concertchk]

Who says he wants a young girl?

Maybe he'd like to date an older woman? Someone who's experienced at life and knows what she wants and is ready/willing to make that sacrifice.



I agree.. heck I'd leave my job GLADLY and pack up my stuff and head to Germany.. yes I'm available and have a pass port.. :D I've already experienced enough.. LOL in my lifetime to have enough experience for both of us... so I will volunteer.. HA... PICK ME PICK ME!!...

Please Bill.. HA.. :D

[Humanoid*starr]

I agree.. heck I'd leave my job GLADLY and pack up my stuff and head to Germany.. yes I'm available and have a pass port.. :D I've already experienced enough.. LOL in my lifetime to have enough experience for both of us... so I will volunteer.. HA... PICK ME PICK ME!!...

Please Bill.. HA.. :D

hahhaaha i kno thats so cute

[mollie]

Just give up your life and travel andf live with someone like that is a really bad idea. If you are married fine but otherwise, what if it ends? You have been away from the jobmarket for years and have nothing to show and you haven't had a income during that time. Being in love is all fine and dandy but being with each other 24/7 is a sure way to end it. Especially when you liuve in a tiny steel box aka a tourbus with several others.

[Adrienne]

I could've undertood him if he said, she'll have to give up parts of her old life in order to start a new one with him, but saying for her to drop everything she's doing, its kinda selfish, would he do the same and give up the band for a girl? I don't think so.

He's only 20 years old and I think he needs to slow down with all of this commitment talk, its scary. It sounds like he doesn't even want to date around, just find one girl and make a life with her? That's not very possible, its almost like he's living inlala land, yes real love is out there, but with his life it isn't going to that easy gto find, espicially if you have trust issues imbeded in yourself.
It doesn't matter if its with a young or old woman, which if she's older I highly doubt she'll give her life up, a young girl is more likely to do so, people can't change THEIR LIFE because of him.

[ray_ray2384]

Just give up your life and travel andf live with someone like that is a really bad idea. If you are married fine but otherwise, what if it ends? You have been away from the jobmarket for years and have nothing to show and you haven't had a income during that time. Being in love is all fine and dandy but being with each other 24/7 is a sure way to end it. Especially when you liuve in a tiny steel box aka a tourbus with several others.

That's for every indivdial man or woman to decide for themselves.

You never know until you've exprienced it.

Personally, I'd only do it if i was married.

[mollie]

That's for every indivdial man or woman to decide for themselves.

You never know until you've exprienced it.

Personally, I'd only do it if i was married.

Of course it is but it has reprecussions that ppl should and have to consider and think further then the "honeymoon". And yes that is something you know can happen even if you haven't experienced it. We all know relationships can end no matter how much in love you're in the beginning.

[ray_ray2384]

Every major decision is a risk. You never know what can happen in the future. You can only hope and have faith that things will turn out to be alright. Even if you encounter road blocks along the way. Overcoming adversity only makes you stronger for the next hard challenge ahead.

For a relationship to last, it requires much more than love.

[mollie]

Yep, you gotta have some brains too. 24/7 is great in the beginning but not for years.

[ray_ray2384]

and that is for each individual couple to decide for themselves.

Each person needs/wants different things in a relationship. Some are the clingy type; would need to be around their mate as often as possible. Others are more independent and would need time spent away from their gf/bf/wife/husband.

[mollie]

No what i'm talking about isn't types. It's how relationships works.

[ray_ray2384]

No what i'm talking about isn't types. It's how relationships works.


You experiences/thoughts/ideas do not reflect every relationship that continues to thrive.

As I said before, it's a personal experience. and each person/couple have to decide what is best for them.

Some relationships are very progressive, others are more traditional. Some couples have an open marriage, some have sexless marriages.

Life shapes us and helps us realize what we need and want from another person.

It will not be the same for everyone.

[mollie]

You experiences/thoughts/ideas do not reflect every relationship that continues to thrive.
I'm stating facts Ray.

Live with it.

And you don't have to repeat that ppl are different, I've already said that.

[ray_ray2384]

I'm stating facts Ray.

Live with it.

And you don't have to repeat that ppl are different, I've already said that.

Your facts are not my facts or anyone else's. They are your own.

Do not assume you know what is good for a general group of people.

I repeat that people are different because you seem to think your experiences speak for everyone who has been in a relationship. They do not.

[mollie]

Your facts are not my facts or anyone else's. They are your own. Do not assume you know what is good for a general group of people.
I repeat that people are different because you seem to think your experiences speak for everyone who has been in a relationship. They do not.

It is a fact that relationships ends. Whether it's by one falling out of love or both or death. That is a fact. Who ever you are. It's not a discussion.

[ray_ray2384]

I do not care for your facts. I did not ask for your facts.

This thread is not about the end of relationships, that is not why I am here.

[Humanoid*starr]

I do not care for your facts. I did not ask for your facts.

This thread is not about the end of relationships, that is not why I am here.

exactly!! i see your point just fine!!

[mollie]

I do not care for your facts. I did not ask for your facts.

This thread is not about the end of relationships, that is not why I am here.

The discussion was about relationships.
I put my 2 cents in. Can't remember anyone asking for your view either.
You're not saying ppl can't post their views now, do you Ray?

[midnight_epiphany]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink062.gif

There can you see that one?

[mollie]

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff142/big_preme/Gifs/smileypopcorneating.gif

It says bandwidth exceeded Elle.

[mollie]

I could've undertood him if he said, she'll have to give up parts of her old life in order to start a new one with him, but saying for her to drop everything she's doing, its kinda selfish, would he do the same and give up the band for a girl? I don't think so.

He's only 20 years old and I think he needs to slow down with all of this commitment talk, its scary. It sounds like he doesn't even want to date around, just find one girl and make a life with her? That's not very possible, its almost like he's living inlala land, yes real love is out there, but with his life it isn't going to that easy gto find, espicially if you have trust issues imbeded in yourself.
It doesn't matter if its with a young or old woman, which if she's older I highly doubt she'll give her life up, a young girl is more likely to do so, people can't change THEIR LIFE because of him.
Exactly!
I totally missed your post. How did that happen? :?

[midnight_epiphany]

It says bandwidth exceeded Elle.

It's a cute little smiley eating popcorn and enjoying the show. I'm not in an arguing mood.

-But I'll just say this, Love Conquers All.♥
-I could be with someone 24/7. I know, because I've already done it.
-Who cares if the famous half of a couple outshines the other in public. At home they're equals.
-What else? *tries to think, but can't because I'm too tired*

[ray_ray2384]

The discussion was about relationships.
I put my 2 cents in. Can't remember anyone asking for your view either.
You're not saying ppl can't post their views now, do you Ray?


Yes, you always put your two cents in and sometimes even more. It becomes an overflow of change. There is a point when the bucket becomes full and you just have to stop putting in change.

[mollie]

Yes, you always put your two cents in and sometimes even more. It becomes an overflow of change. There is a point when the bucket becomes full and you just have to stop putting in change.

Take a look at yourself Ray!
I'm putting in "change"? What does that mean?
My opinion that I post just like you and everyone else?
I didn't start answering you, you quoted me.

[midnight_epiphany]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink048.gif


You know what? I can't even remember what the interview was about anymore?

[mollie]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink048.gif


You know what? I can't even remember what the interview was about anymore?

That's because you're drinking Elle! :laugh:

[midnight_epiphany]

That's because you're drinking Elle! :laugh:

Sometimes that's the best way to deal with things. :laugh:

Shall I get you really off topic? It's 1a here and I was going to get up at 4 to ensure that I would be tired enough tomorrow night to go to bed by 8, because I have to get up at 3a Saturday morning to drive my sister to the airport. I won't get home until around 10a. What sucks is that there'll be no espresso stands open on the drive up.

Anyway, I might as well stay awake now. But if I suddenly don't respond, it's because I fell asleep on my keyboard.

[mollie]

Sometimes that's the best way to deal with things. :laugh:

Shall I get you really off topic? It's 1a here and I was going to get up at 4 to ensure that I would be tired enough tomorrow night to go to bed by 8, because I have to get up at 3a Saturday morning to drive my sister to the airport. I won't get home until around 10a. What sucks is that there'll be no espresso stands open on the drive up.

Anyway, I might as well stay awake now. But if I suddenly don't respond, it's because I fell asleep on my keyboard.

I totally got lost in all those numbers lol
Take espresso with you in a thermos then.

[midnight_epiphany]

I can't make espresso at home, only coffee. And it's not as good as buying it, because I don't have the white chocolate powder that I love and the fancy flavored syrups.

So what was this interview about again? I'm too tired to go back and read it. I just know several people have mentioned that it was depressing, but I don't remember getting that out of it.

Is the NRJ interview, either the audio or a written translation, ever going to be made available?

[mollie]

Is the NRJ interview, either the audio or a written translation, ever going to be made available?
The NRJ interview is on it's way i imagine. It was done 9 in the evening so ppl might wait til today to fix it.

[midnight_epiphany]

What about a translation of Viva part 2? Or maybe I'll just go over to that thread and see. The excitement here seems to have died down. I do love Bill's one true love conversations.:grin:

[mollie]

What about a translation of Viva part 2? Or maybe I'll just go over to that thread and see. The excitement here seems to have died down. I do love Bill's one true love conversations.:grin:

It's right there Elle! Go take a look lol

[midnight_epiphany]

I did. I'll look again, but really I'm too tired to see anything.

Bill wants to fall in love.

Just trying to be on topic.

[Babbity Rabbity]

You guys are discussing the same thing we were discussing in the "We Never Felt Normal: BerlinOnline" thread lol

[midnight_epiphany]

Bill is being redundant? Say it ain't so. No wonder I can't remember one interview from another. :laugh:

I finally found a YT video for part 2 that has the translation on the side. I really wanted one with subtitles, so I could know what they're saying as they say it, but I guess I can't always have my way.

Bill wants love. Still on topic, like a good girl.:grin:

[Babbity Rabbity]

OH! do you have a link, Elle? I've been trying to find one with a good translation and not one that gives me a headache trying to understand >.<

[Nemo]

I think.......

No matter how old or young the girl is, either way she will have something to give up. And just because you are older does not mean you are more mature. Nor that you have lived more of life. There is no point comparing lives because anything that hurts someone, be it grand or small, or any hardship along the way, that is significant to the person living it, and accordingly they will be affected by it, in a good or bad way.

If you are older, you will perhaps have started building your career, and if you haven't you will undoubtedly be on another level than someone of Bill's age, and occupation. When you get to that point where things seem to go well or that your biological clock is ticking, or whatever it may be, such an erratic life like Bill's will seem maddening. Yes I stated that age does not mean maturity but someone at 20 years of age is simply not ready for the things you may be. Especially Bill's case, he really has a job that lives the day, and is very... well, erratic. It seems the best word for this.

If you are younger, and I mean either Bill's age, or one or two years above/under, you are just beginning your life, and while it's more probable to leave and be with him cause essentialy your career life hasn't become steady yet, it's still hard cause either college is the problem, or that the job you are dreamign of does not allow travel, and you will have to be just "the girl" during the whole business... or maybe, you just aren't sure that you want to drop it all and leave him.

As for relationships, there is a general pattern. In the beginning it is all lovey dovey and birds twittering and such, then, according to general statistics, after maybe two and a half years of beign together the newness of the relationship wears off and you get caught in a routine. And then the relationship is at danger.
Some people get in routine ruts from work, some from living togetehr. But yes, too much time together is just a way to fast-forward to that point, especially since it's almost common sense in society that you don't move in with someone after just a few months or a year.
That's the point when people break up, get bored, start to argue cause their passion they had at the start is wearing off, and is replaced by what should be solid love, a partnership between two people, and thats when the hard work is needed.
Course some couples do enjoy this clingy feel but eventually they will fizzle out and then realise they have been living far too close for comfort.

Um, that's just my thought on the matter. I could write more but heartburn is killing me.

[midnight_epiphany]

OH! do you have a link, Elle? I've been trying to find one with a good translation and not one that gives me a headache trying to understand >.<


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZnqn68MhDA

But like I said, no subtitles. You have to read the sidebar first and then try to remember what they talked about while you watch.


----

I may be the only one that doesn't think Bill is asking too much, but maybe I'm looking at it from a different angle. Everyone keeps talking about what if it doesn't work out, but I don't think Bill's talking about a girl giving up her life as in 'hey, I like you, quit your job, drop out of school, leave your family, come on tour with me and we'll get to know each other better and see what happens'. I think he's talking about after he's already found his one and they know they're going to be together forever. Then he would want her to come and live his life with him. But after he falls in love he may decide it's worth it to live her life with her. Or they can compromise somehow. It's true love. They'll work something out. :smile:

Please forgive me for any typos or nonsensical passages. That was written on 2 hours sleep. And am I even in the right thread? I'm getting this one and BerlinOnline mixed up. :laugh:

p.s. Being together 24/7 is not necessarily a relationship killer.

[love, alex.]

And am I even in the right thread? I'm getting this one and BerlinOnline mixed up. :laugh:


:laugh: yes you're in the right thread. and I agree with you! he's not going to go on one date and tell her to give up everything so he can do his job and ~see what happens with us~ lmao.

[Nemo]

I may be the only one that doesn't think Bill is asking too much, but maybe I'm looking at it from a different angle. Everyone keeps talking about what if it doesn't work out, but I don't think Bill's talking about a girl giving up her life as in 'hey, I like you, quit your job, drop out of school, leave your family, come on tour with me and we'll get to know each other better and see what happens'. I think he's talking about after he's already found his one and they know they're going to be together forever. Then he would want her to come and live his life with him. But after he falls in love he may decide it's worth it to live her life with her. Or they can compromise somehow. It's true love. They'll work something out. :smile:

Please forgive me for any typos or nonsensical passages. That was written on 2 hours sleep. And am I even in the right thread? I'm getting this one and BerlinOnline mixed up. :laugh:

p.s. Being together 24/7 is not necessarily a relationship killer.[/COLOR]


I don't think he's askign that much either, maybe cause I'm that kind of person that is very prone to impulsive stuff liek that and doesnt' view it for the time being as torture.

And no those kinds of relationships don't always mean failure, but most times it's just a faster way to breaking point. At least that's what I've seen in my life.

[Nemo]

Exactly! Something will be worked out regardless. Love doesn't fit into this neat little box and it certainly doesn't follow a plan or agenda. True love has a mind all its own.

It does, but then again people are fit into boxes *so to speak* such as jobs, bills, careers, mortgages, society, and whatnot. It's those that corrode the relationship and love.

[midnight_epiphany]

Wow, I should ramble incoherently in the middle of the night more often. Everyone understands and agrees with me. :laugh:

[concertchk]

Yes, I'm doing what Lynelle did.. quoting myself.. because what I said in the other thread.. I think needs to be said here... as I also said.. I'm not looking to start a discussion or even a fight and won't be back to see if anyone answers......

"LOVE happens... it's not fit into a box, or it's not conformed to anything.. it just happens... sometimes you realize you have never felt the feelings you feel when you fall in love... perhaps Bill has never really FELL in love... I mean granted he is still young... and if he does want someone to give up there life to live with him.. in his world.. that person.. should be ready for anything... seriously.... and I mean anything....

There world isn't conformed to just a day to day basis its going on all the time.. they are moving all the time.....it doesn't really matter if she is old, young, or whatever... she would have to be prepared and have already done what she wanted to do in her life.. and be ready for a new one.. because there life will continue to evolve.....

I think Bill knows what he wants... and for someone at that age to really know what he wants.. and to wait for it... he's already older then most of us... and that's saying a lot for a man his age.... I think he knows the reality that will come with it.... he lives it every day.. doesn't he..."

[Humanoid*starr]

I think Bill knows what he wants... and for someone at that age to really know what he wants.. and to wait for it... he's already older then most of us... and that's saying a lot for a man his age.... I think he knows the reality that will come with it.... he lives it every day.. doesn't he..."



i agree!!! he def knows what he wants... i think he will kno when he finds it
and wont let the person go.

[vatefairefoutre]

HAHA sometimes I am quite amused and yet feel quite creepy at how fascinated we all are by these guy's love lives. :laugh:

but they are kind of interesting and they openly discuss them in interviews so... whatever! haha

[FairyWings]

well their [lack of a] love life is a lot more interesting than my [lack of] love life for one thing :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

well their [lack of a] love life is a lot more interesting than my [lack of] love life for one thing :laugh:

HAHA

I know right? same here. :laugh:

[Nemo]

We could make threads for you two, then. :laugh: Don't know if there will be much to say, though. :laugh: jkjk.

[FairyWings]

LMFAO my thread would be like this:


...


...

*cricket noise*

:laugh:

[Nemo]

ROFLMFAO! :laugh: Mine too. BUT. I'd have it filled with all the guys I have liked/loved and they never liked/loved me. :laugh: I'd be bitter and rant about each one of them. :laugh:

[FairyWings]

haha well I've never been in love and it takes me FOREVER to be interested in a guy so there wouldn't be that many guys in there to begin with :laugh: but I could rant about some I've had something going on with xD lmfao

yeah... that thread would die 10 min after it was started :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

HAHAHA!

LMFAO What Charlotte Likes In a Guy :laugh:

that would amuse me greatly to see people discuss that for hundreds of pages and laugh at how wrong or right they are. and then go into random off topic and sex talk. hahaha Bill's lucky he can be so amused if he goes online :laugh:

[FairyWings]

HAHAHA!

LMFAO What Charlotte Likes In a Guy :laugh:

that would amuse me greatly to see people discuss that for hundreds of pages and laugh at how wrong or right they are. and then go into random off topic and sex talk. hahaha Bill's lucky he can be so amused if he goes online :laugh:

HAHAHAHA :laugh: ohmygodd hahaha that's so creepy yet hilarious at the same time..

haha seriously I bet that's how the twins would feel if they ever saw those threads :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

HAHAHAHA :laugh: ohmygodd hahaha that's so creepy yet hilarious at the same time..

haha seriously I bet that's how the twins would feel if they ever saw those threads :laugh:

hahahaha!

oh I wouldn't really mind people speculating about my love life HAHA I would lurk and read it all and laugh at how they think they know me (and be totally impressed/weirded out if they got things right) cuz it'd be freaking hilarious :laugh:

[FairyWings]

omg I don't even like talking about my love life except with my very best friends lol.. so i'd be hella creeped out :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

haha!

hmm... what would be the creepiest thing people could talk about if I had a forum dedicated to me...

I would probably be creeped out the most by the people talking about what kind of mother I'd be. LMAO love life isn't that bad to me really I guess. :laugh:

[FairyWings]

haha I know which would be the creepiest:

"Charlotte's *** thread"

and people taking stalker pics of your *** and being like "oh nice jeans" or seeing pictures of your backside in PJ's and **** :laugh:

oh my god seriously i hope the boys never come to this forum they'd be traumatized for life :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

HAHAHAHA

I would be quite proud of a thread dedicated to my ***. not gonna lie. :laugh:

but if they named my *** like they did to Bill's over at the UK forums (I think they named it Nigel? LMAO!)... hmmm that would be interesting :laugh:


and HAHA yes! but I also think they'd be quite entertained by our discussions hahahaha

[FairyWings]

LMFAO :laugh: I actually saw a thread in the UK forum banning names for the boys' body parts :laugh: yeah they were quite..interesting i guess haha

[vatefairefoutre]

LMFAO :laugh: I actually saw a thread in the UK forum banning names for the boys' body parts :laugh: yeah they were quite..interesting i guess haha

HAHAHA! omg seriously? hahah I haven't been there for a while. that's hilarious! :laugh:

hmmm... I would want my *** to be named Christina :laugh:

[mollie]

Yeah i saw that too lol they were starting to name every toe and stuff and the mods felt they were going too far.

[midnight_epiphany]

Yeah i saw that too lol they were starting to name every toe and stuff and the mods felt they were going too far.

Do they get really bored over there? Or maybe there's something in the water in England. :???:

[tokiohotelcrazy08]

When I mention Jumbie, I'm not talking about the plane. lmao

[Nemo]

Do they get really bored over there? Or maybe there's something in the water in England. :???:

I'll say. :laugh: When I go to the UK the water is so soft it makes my hair go great. Maybe it makes people's minds soft too. :laugh:

[mollie]

I'll say. :laugh: When I go to the UK the water is so soft it makes my hair go great. Maybe it makes people's minds soft too. :laugh:

Yeah when you're lucky to get water because of the old plumbing!

[Nemo]

Yeah when you're lucky to get water because of the old plumbing!

Depends on where you are. :laugh:

[blackchery]

i think he will always says that he want to fall in love and deny that he have one gf. in 2008 they was have many times and they wasn't have interview it's sad to lying again and again and not says the true i want to believe him but i can't i know it's because of the fans i would be happy if he have someone but if we knew that he lied about his ""true love"" i will be a little upset...

[mollie]

i think he will always says that he want to fall in love and deny.... in 2008 they was have many times and they wasn't have interview it's sad to lying again and again and not says the true i want to believe him but i can't

He denies what?
He lied about what in 2008?

[blackchery]

He denies what?
He lied about what in 2008?


i do not have proof that he have one Girlfriend but the guys was have all the time in 2008 to have someone right ? and they didn't have interview so i think he will always deny and lying that he have one gf....in my opinion :???:

[mollie]

i do not have proof that he have one Girlfriend but the guys was have all the time in 2008 to have someone right ? and they didn't have interview so i think he will always deny and lying that he have one gf....in my opinion :???:

They gave interviews all year long in 2008. And Bill has had 4 years to get one and he still says he's single.

[blackchery]

not in february and other month 2008 or 2009 when we was have nothing new they wasn't have interview....? OR it's me that i'm wrong so maybe he says the true or not but i will think that he deny..dunno

[mollie]

not in february and other month 2008 or 2009 when we was have nothing new they wasn't have interview....? OR it's me that i'm wrong so maybe he says the true or not but i will think that he deny..dunno

Just because they aren't always giving interviews doesn't mean they are trying to hide anything. if B&T had gf there would most likely be pics since they have stalkers after them. G&G don have that unless they are outside the studio. And I know they did interviews in February of 2008 because then Canadian fans asked them questions. I have a feeling it doesn't matter what they say or do you still believe they have gfs and are lying. That is up to you.

[blackchery]

i just don't know what to believe now....i'm confusing with all this it's okay

[XxInyourNightmarexX]

Hmmm. . . well I hope Bill Tom and Gusti find their gfs someday soon so Bill can shut up about this, lol.

[Babbity Rabbity]

Hmmm. . . well I hope Bill Tom and Gusti find their gfs someday soon so Bill can shut up about this, lol.

:laugh:

Nicely put, Erica lmfao

[transparent elegance]

I naively believed that Bill was finally over his love at first sight thing.

Now, do I see some argument over the truth of him saying that he's single? Ugh, I am so sick of that argument.

LOOK, here's how it breaks down for me. If Bill says he's single then for me he's single. At best ANY speculation on my part about him having a girlfriend is pointless at worst it could HURT a girl he's dating. He does not need nosy fans trying to snoop around to find his girlfriend IF he does try to hide one.
So girls, try to be a LITTLE less self-centered and don't insist on having details about the boys that they don't want to give you.

As long as Bill wants the fans to think he's single then my opinion will be that he's single. As much as I'd love to know about any girl he dates I will choose to let him tell me when he decides. Some may say that I'm opening myself to deceit but if Bill matters enough to you that some deception on his part would actually HURT you then you have issues.

Ooooh... I may have to edit that, I think I'm being snarky again.

[Babbity Rabbity]

:laugh: :laugh:

please don't, Kat... that was brilliant lmfao

[OhWaaw]

I naively believed that Bill was finally over his love at first sight thing.

Now, do I see some argument over the truth of him saying that he's single? Ugh, I am so sick of that argument.

LOOK, here's how it breaks down for me. If Bill says he's single then for me he's single. At best ANY speculation on my part about him having a girlfriend is pointless at worst it could HURT a girl he's dating. He does not need nosy fans trying to snoop around to find his girlfriend IF he does try to hide one.
So girls, try to be a LITTLE less self-centered and don't insist on having details about the boys that they don't want to give you.

As long as Bill wants the fans to think he's single then my opinion will be that he's single. As much as I'd love to know about any girl he dates I will choose to let him tell me when he decides. Some may say that I'm opening myself to deceit but if Bill matters enough to you that some deception on his part would actually HURT you then you have issues.

Ooooh... I may have to edit that, I think I'm being snarky again.

I agree. And don't edit it lol You have a good point.

[ray_ray2384]

Exactly! Something will be worked out regardless. Love doesn't fit into this neat little box and it certainly doesn't follow a plan or agenda. True love has a mind all its own.

I think if you are going to commit to a relationship you'd need a plan for the future.


=================

As a fan, I will choose to believe what I think is the truth or not.
And I will share my thoughts here, some of them. But, I would never, ever try to physically pry into the band's personal life by asking them personally to confirm my beliefs. Some might say, well, that's exactly what you are doing on this forum. I disagree. I certainly do not meant to disrespect the band when I don't believe in some of the things they've said.

In fact, I don't really pry. I just think too much!

:lol:

[ray_ray2384]

I will admit I do think often of the band and wonder about many things.

But, my regular life has not been interrupted. Now, once the band is back in my town for promo and concerts. It's a different story!

:lol:

[Humanoid*starr]

I think if you are going to commit to a relationship you'd need a plan for the future.


=================

As a fan, I will choose to believe what I think is the truth or not.
And I will share my thoughts here, some of them. But, I would never, ever try to physically pry into the band's personal life by asking them personally to confirm my beliefs. Some might say, well, that's exactly what you are doing on this forum. I disagree. I certainly do not meant to disrespect the band when I don't believe in some of the things they've said.

In fact, I don't really pry. I just think too much!

:lol:



exactly!!

and i know that if Bill says that he does have a someone, we all like to kno who that person is and there is nothing wrong with that. the only time i talk about TH is when im online, they dont revolve round my life i got my own goals and dreams to worry bout.

and i still cant wait to see Georg's gf, i kno we all are lol


yay Ray promo its all new to me and i can't wait lol


but unfortunately i have talked to a few fans that physically do try to interrupt the guys life.

[ray_ray2384]

the same goes for me, Ivette, I do not talk about TH with my friends and family. They do not care.

But, I have my friends i've met online who do care. And with them I share my thoughts/feelings/excitement and etc......


================


They are many fans who do not become active in the fandom unless the boys are active on the road.

[tokiohotelcrazy08]

Yes I'm curious but it's not my main priority since they have the right to not discuss anyone that they have as a GF or whatevr. Since I know why they wouldn't mention GFs anyway. Well not the mention part but maybe like have her known and what she looks like and blah blah blah. lol If I was one of their GFs, I wouldn't want to be known period. lol

Yeah this is was kinda pointless to the convo. lol

[ray_ray2384]

What do you wonder about, Ray?
To expand my thoughts I think of the band too. At random times of the day when I see something related to them or while I'm here, which is quite often.:-P I find myself also thinking/worrying about them when I think it'll effect their music. Like when Bill had his surgery, Tom's stalker issues and Gustav's bar brawl. Those were potential threats to their music. (Was that contradicting to what I said about caring?:???:) I don't think Bill not finding the love he's looking for right now will effect his music unless he becomes extremely depressed and loses interest in singing. But the odds of that are very small and I don't think he's that desperate.

And yes, I'm super happy for the promo stuff and all the concerts to come! :grin: Also, more song releases too! We know about Automatic/tisch and the leaked songs already!


The very same things you just mentioned. Any time there is TH news, I pay attention.

[Humanoid*starr]

the same goes for me, Ivette, I do not talk about TH with my friends and family. They do not care.

But, I have my friends i've met online who do care. And with them I share my thoughts/feelings/excitement and etc......


================


They are many fans who do not become active in the fandom unless the boys are active on the road.



yes they dont give a fu** so why bother lol.

many fans follow them everywhere, in fact some went to the nokia concert just to try to take a pic of the guys turns out they even got in and met them. and thats whats funny to me, this girl and her friends follow them and actually do see them.
they have seen the guys many times i bet they know who they are by now...



honestly i couldnt do that...

[vatefairefoutre]

haha my best friend likes them a lot too and she's been to shows of theirs with me so I talk with her about them sometimes! :cool:

that's basically it for discussing TH outside of the internet though hahaha

[Humanoid*starr]

yea lucky u have someone to talk to bout them lol

my fam cant even believe i like rock so much hahahha

but well i guess Bill's girl will have to like his music somehow...

[vatefairefoutre]

haha my mom thinks they're alright too and every once in a while I'll have her listen to a new song or talk about them hahaha


and hahaha!

no LMAO his girlfriend will not like his music at all and be like "honey... your music is so ****ty. why do you do this?" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[redi[Kell]us]

I can talk to like one of my friends about TH. I talk to my parents and brother about them even though sometimes they don't care. :laugh:

[Humanoid*starr]

haha my mom thinks they're alright too and every once in a while I'll have her listen to a new song or talk about them hahaha


and hahaha!

no LMAO his girlfriend will not like his music at all and be like "honey... your music is so ****ty. why do you do this?" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

hahahah and Bill is gonna be like.
Bill: that brand new Audi you driving... my job got you that

lmao!! nah i think he be ****** off if a girl would tell him that hes so proud of what he does!! and thats why he says his gf has to be supportive.

[vatefairefoutre]

hahaha yeah! why the **** would Bill be with a girl that doesn't like Tokio Hotel at all? LMAO that seems kinda retarded hahaha. and she definitely would not approve of him being away for it all the time. :laugh:

[Humanoid*starr]

hahaha Bill could be mean too!!

yes i know, she would want to be with her man at all times and he wont mind. plus, she's gonna see how all those groupies try to get with him hahaha, she be attach to her man like a leech.
Bill would never let her forget what she does for her...
he can have his attitude!!

[Lex'Rex]

Awhh Bill! I feel for him, because if only he knew how many girls around the world are in love with him haha :D

Hang on in there Bill, stay strong. We love youuu!!!! ^^

[ray_ray2384]

There are many, many people who would love to feel safe/secure in a relationship by having a plan.

I mean, not every relationship starts with love.

But, in the case of Bill, he definitely wants love from the very start.

[Humanoid*starr]

There are many, many people who would love to feel safe/secure in a relationship by having a plan.

I mean, not every relationship starts with love.

But, in the case of Bill, he definitely wants love from the very start.

yes he wants to feel that connection from the start and he can find it, but having a plan is good, feelings fade whether u like it or not. once u decide to be with that person things should be consider...

but i see Bill as those type of people that kno when somethin is gonna be good or a great love...

[ray_ray2384]

But what's the point of making plans when there's no love? I don't understand.

because some ppl will choose to be with a person even if they are not in love yet. But, they see in this person a future, security.

Sure, it isn't the most romantic idea. But, ti does happen. Not everyone falls in love at first sight or fall in love, in general. they choose to love the person they've committed themselves to.

i've seen this happen more than once. That's why i brought it up.

[mollie]

That's so sad.

[Humanoid*starr]

I'm not referring to love at first sight at all. And this concept about moving forward in a relationship without love is one I never want to know. Hence, why I don't understand.

i kno its hard to understand but its happens and its life... feelings change so its good to have a good plan... yes of course love is everything but u realize is not once things come to an end. you make so many sacrifices and when things end you're left like :? wtf...


once you realize you love that person and they also love you there should be a plan of how things should be... simple like: should we move in together, what you want to have in the relationship, a commitment... an agreement almost...

[mollie]

Can never see myself, or anyone I know actually, move in with someone and make plans for the future if there's no love. Love changes after a while when the honeymoon phase is over but it's still there, just different. Love have to come first otherwise you waste years on the wrong person. At least then you can say you had something once.

[Humanoid*starr]

Can never see myself, or anyone I know actually, move in with someone and make plans for the future if there's no love. Love changes after a while when the honeymoon phase is over but it's still there, just different. Love have to come first otherwise you waste years on the wrong person. At least then you can say you had something once.

of course love gotta come first... no way in **** would i move in with someone i dont love and dont see a future with, nah!! thats too important, to waste years just like u said. but sadly love ends and you stay in the relationship just cuz its all u kno.

Bill hmm well i think he would try hard so that things wount change, but at times you cant control what happens after the love fades. and yes its really sad. Bill is young and should date, yet he wants that commitment. im sure one day there will be a a lady he cant live without.

[mollie]

of course love gotta come first... no way in **** would i move in with someone i dont love and dont see a future with, nah!! thats too important, to waste years just like u said. but sadly love ends and you stay in the relationship just cuz its all u kno.

Bill hmm well i think he would try hard so that things wount change, but at times you cant control what happens after the love fades. and yes its really sad. Bill is young and should date, yet he wants that commitment. im sure one day there will be a a lady he cant live without.

But Ray was saying making plans when there's no love, not even in the beginning. But not all love ends. i think that is the one we all dream of. It changes but doesn't have to end. My grparents loved each other deeply and had been together for almost 50 years when he died.

[mollie]

Physical love is about chemistry though. Friendship we can decide over.

[mollie]

Wait what?

Found this on WA because I can't find the words in English:

Scientific tend to view sex and love as a mammalian instinct. Dr.Helen Fisher divides love experience into three partly-overlapping stage: lust, attraction, and attachment.

Lust is the initial passionate sexual desire that promotes mating. It stimulate the release of hormones such as testosterone and oestrogen. The effect is only last for weeks or months.

Attraction is romantic love stage. People at this stage will constantly release chemical, including dopamine, phenylethylamine (PEA), norepinephrine and serotonin. The effect of this chemicals flowing in bloodstream is similar to stress: increased heart reat, sweaty palms, heavy breathing and etc.

Unlike lust and attraction stage, attachment stagement stage is accounted for long term relationship. Evidence suggested that monogamy and trust are related with oxytocin and vasopressin. This is the stage where mature love is.

[Humanoid*starr]

But Ray was saying making plans when there's no love, not even in the beginning. But not all love ends. i think that is the one we all dream of. It changes but doesn't have to end. My grparents loved each other deeply and had been together for almost 50 years when he died.

lol i understood all ray said.

but yes thats the kind of love that: me, you, Bill everyone wants!! congrats to ur gradparents thats a blessin!! but u kno that nowadays relationships dont last 5 years... sadly you get married and things dont work out :(

i think Ray meant that plans should be made from the begginin so that there are no confusion or broken promises later on. and trust me it hurts so much when someone breaks a promise you held so dear in your heart, even if you stay with that person... lil by lil the love fades.

[Humanoid*starr]

There were words too big for my brain, so I only skimmed. That's just too technical for my taste, but now I know you were referring more to lust when you said physical love, yes?

i think that love involves everything. like true love, sex-lust, mental compatibility, soulmates, physical attraction and friendship, trust.

maybe i forgot somethings but you get it lol

and i think the love that Bill wants is the type that no one or anythin could break. like mollies grandparents.

[mollie]

but yes thats the kind of love that: me, you, Bill everyone wants!! congrats to ur gradparents thats a blessin!! but u kno that nowadays relationships dont last 5 years... sadly you get married and things dont work out :(

i think Ray meant that plans should be made from the begginin so that there are no confusion or broken promises later on. and trust me it hurts so much when someone breaks a promise you held so dear in your heart, even if you stay with that person... lil by lil the love fades.
Ppl are different and women in general wants to make plans of commitment before men does. My grparents wasn't that young when they got married and they were living together first which was unusual then. They even had kids first - in a Catholic country and hospital! Labor supervised by NUNS! That was no picnic!

But I digress.....promises can be made based on the feelings that are felt at the moment but if they fade the promise isn't worth anything. That's life. It's short and if you're not happy it's not worth anything. Ppl get married too young and then they grow and change and the relationship isn't there anymore.

And that is not what Ray said, and she has said it before; that ppl doesn't have to love each other to be a couple. The love will come later. The danger with that is that love might never come. If I remember correctly she doesn't feel romantic love is necessary for a relationship.

[mollie]

There were words too big for my brain, so I only skimmed. That's just too technical for my taste, but now I know you were referring more to lust when you said physical love, yes?

Lust yes but we are led by our hormones. You can "be in love" with the sniff of your bf without getting horny.

[mollie]

and i think the love that Bill wants is the type that no one or anythin could break. like mollies grandparents.
I think so too but that only time can tell. No one knows that in advance.

[Humanoid*starr]

That is also a false assumption. How old are you?

im 25 and i say that because it happened to me, so no its not false assumption, i went thru it and i kno what im saying.

i gave my life just like Bill wants for his girl to do for him. but the love goes away thats why its good to always have a plan for urself. so no its not false!!!

and no matter how much u love that person, love aint everythin in a relationship it needs more a boost!!

[mollie]

im 25 and i say that because it happened to me, so no its not false assumption, i went thru it and i kno what im saying.

i gave my life just like Bill wants for his girl to do for him. but the love goes away thats why its good to always have a plan for urself. so no its not false!!!

and no matter how much u love that person, love aint everythin in a relationship it needs more a boost!!

A plan wouldn't have made the love stay. It just would've stopped the 2 of you to move on.

[Humanoid*starr]

Just because it happened to you, does not mean it happens to everyone. Personal experiences are not absolute truth for everyone.

well i could tell u a few things but i dont care really,i kno what im sayin and it happened to 7 of my friends both male and female and from different races.

and even tho i had a bad experience i believe in true love.

i think that you think once you're in love and that person loves you everything is perfect, well its not there is more to it. i used to think like that also fyi ha wake up call is not!!!

[Humanoid*starr]

A plan wouldn't have made the love stay. It just would've stopped the 2 of you to move on.

exactly!! you need a plan for you to survive and move on because of you not the other person.

[mollie]

Uhhh......... ok.........? :laugh:

I mean...lmao...we are biology...whether we like it or not. That's what first brings us together. I can sniff on Jocke but that doesn't mean I get horny even though he likes to think so LMAO but he smells better to me then to someone else. Our biology fits. Our chemicals.

[mollie]

exactly!! you need a plan for you to survive and move on because of you not the other person.

Ray, and it sounded like you thought so too, said that a plan was needed to keep that loveless relationship going. That's what I don't believe.

[Humanoid*starr]

Ray, and it sounded like you thought so too, said that a plan was needed to keep that loveless relationship going. That's what I don't believe.

ahahha no not at all hon lol.

but u could stay with the person cuz you love them because of who they used to be to u... all you feel now is a like a friendship. that is of course if things dont end up bad.

[Humanoid*starr]

You speak as if you have experienced all there is to experience and to know as if there is all there is to know. All I'm saying is your own personal experiences, and that includes those of your 7 friends, do not set the ultimate example for how all other relationships pan out. And you do realize how many people there are on this planet, right?

I'm not saying you do not know anything, because that would be very presumptious of me, I'm just saying you limit your own vision to the possibilities that do exist.

well i kno how love is and i used to live in a fairy tale but the real world is not, far from it. nd yes i have experience love in many ways thats why i kno what im talkin about and like mollie pointed out not all has to do with bein horny and wantin to **** everyone, love is not just the physical is deeper than that.


but like i said i feel that you think nothin can go wrong,but it does. and regardless i still believe in the big love...

[Humanoid*starr]

Ok, I'm really getting tired of this. You're 25. Not 80.

hahaha well im 25 but i feel 18 and i kno what im saying whether u accepted or not. every head-brain is a different world... and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Humanoid*starr]

I'm not even going to bother with that "love isn't about ****ing" comment, because I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

As for me believing nothing can go wrong, you're dead wrong. I've seen things go wrong my whole life. My parents divorced when I was 6, my aunt and uncle are going through a divorce, and my other aunt and uncle have already divorced. I've watched marriages and families ripped apart by afairs, drugs, and alcohol. To say that I don't believe anything can go wrong is a tremedously mistaken statement, and a very presumptious one at that. But even through all of that, I've seen marriages thrive. Those are the ones I bank on. Those are the ones I'd rather look forward to than expecting my future marriage (if that ever even happens) to fail. I'm not blind, nor am I naive. I'm optimistic and realistic--I know that anything is possible, for better or for worse.

you sound very naive to me hon, thats what i can see by the way you're expressin your thoughts. :-P:-P

[Humanoid*starr]

I have no problems with opinions, but you're talking down to me as if I have no idea what real life is like. Your "opinion" has been expressed as absolute truth, and that's what is bothering me.

hmm well too bad if it bothers you hon. ;)

for all i kno we were discussin not talkin down on one another...

thats not how i saw it anyways.

[mollie]

I don't see that Lynelle says she thinks love as a fairytale just that there are those who make it. Why believe more in the negative side then the positive? Even if one or many relationships fail there can be one good one everlasting in the future. Love should be a ground for a relationship.

[Humanoid*starr]

I don't see that Lynelle says she thinks love as a fairytale just that there are those who make it. Why believe more in the negative side then the positive? Even if one or many relationships fail there can be one good one everlasting in the future. Love should be a ground for a relationship.

like i said earlier i believe in love and even in marriage its just gotta be with the right one. but she talks like if nothin could go wrong once you got the person you love,thats why i used my experience to expalin that thinks can still go bad... thats all.

i never said that love was negative btw just that things dont go as plan.love is the most wonderful and pure feelin one can experience and share.

[Humanoid*starr]

Lol, I can't waste anymore time on this retarded conversation. The narrow-mindedness just blows my mind.

hahahha yes i agree good night or morning!!!

[mollie]

like i said earlier i believe in love and even in marriage its just gotta be with the right one. but she talks like if nothin could go wrong once you got the person you love,thats why i used my experience to expalin that thinks can still go bad... thats all.

She knows relationships goes wrong but there are ones that work and those are the ones she wants to be in. And it takes love from both sides to make it work, otherwise it doesn't work. if you only have one side of course it wont.

[Humanoid*starr]

She knows relationships goes wrong but there are ones that work and those are the ones she wants to be in. And it takes love from both sides to make it work, otherwise it doesn't work. if you only have one side of course it wont.

thats why i said "the right one" meanin love on both sides...

have a good night Mollie, talk later hon. well mornin here hahaha

[mollie]

thats why i said "the right one" meanin love on both sides...

have a good night Mollie, talk later hon. well mornin here hahaha

Almost lunch here *sigh*

[Humanoid*starr]

Almost lunch here *sigh*

omg and i still havent slept **** ahhaha!! now im really goin to bed girl :-P

[midnight_epiphany]

Well that was entertaining. I'm kind of sorry I went to bed last night. :laugh:

[rockerme]

i really cant wait to fallin love!i hope luv finds me soon!

[ray_ray2384]

That's so sad.

Depends on the relationship. I know one friend who chose to be with a man even though she wasn't in love with him yet. I ask her if she loves him and she says yes. But, is it passionate love? I don't know.

[mollie]

Depends on the relationship. I know one friend who chose to be with a man even though she wasn't in love with him yet. I ask her if she loves him and she says yes. But, is it passionate love? I don't know.

So it's good if it works out and the love comes but no one knows if it will. And poor bastards if they then meet someone and falls in love for real.

[ray_ray2384]

oh, ****, why do i bother.

[Ta-Ti]

Too bad I'm taken....
:laugh:

[Nemo]

Too bad I'm taken....
:laugh:

HAHA c'mon now, give us your opinion! :laugh: :geek1:

[vatefairefoutre]

Well that was entertaining. I'm kind of sorry I went to bed last night. :laugh:

HAHA I know! and me too! :laugh:


I don't know bout y'all but I'm totally going to be rescued by a man and ride off into the sunset on a white horse for eternity and we'll live happily ever after HAHAHA :laugh:

[Nemo]

HAHA I know! and me too! :laugh:


I don't know bout y'all but I'm totally going to be rescued by a man and ride off into the sunset on a white horse for eternity and we'll live happily ever after HAHAHA :laugh:

I want my Prince to wear leather jackets and ride his Harley and come and rescue me while blasting rock music. :-D

Yes I used that particular smiley cause it looks like it's giddy in love. :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

I want my Prince to wear leather jackets and ride his Harley and come and rescue me while blasting rock music. :-D

Yes I used that particular smiley cause it looks like it's giddy in love. :laugh:

hahahaha! well that is quite romantic as well I suppose LMAO :laugh:

:-D

[Nemo]

hahahaha! well that is quite romantic as well I suppose LMAO :laugh:

:-D

In our own perverted mind. :laugh:

It's the epitome of romance. :laugh:

[Humanoid*starr]

I think that was the only intelligent thing you said all night.

hahhaha sure because you wrote a book of knowledge!! you still too naive, end of story!!

[Humanoid*starr]

oh, ****, why do i bother.

there is no point Ray,some people are too naive to understand that love is good but also bad. can bring us happiness and also sorrow. if they cant understand that simple fact, then **** them!!!

[Nemo]

Lol, hon, love is never bad. Love can end badly, but it's never bad. I think we can both agree that relationships should be founded on love, and that they can end badly, but they can also end well, yes? Yes.

I think you've both recycled your views so much you've eventually ended up arguing about the same thing you're agreeing on. :laugh:

[vatefairefoutre]

Actually, the only thing I was arguing is that not all relationships end up in the ****ter, like she stated multiple times. All I said was that her experiences do not represent all relationships and anything is possible. Optimism just seems to mean naivety around here. It's not my problem if the only window she sees through is her own. *shrug* I've said I know not every relationship lasts forever and ever (because that is part of life), I'd just rather look forward to a long-lasting marriage than expect it to fall apart at the seams.

just to let you know, I agree with you!

anyways you know me I like to be optimistic with most things haha :cool:

[Humanoid*starr]

I think you've both recycled your views so much you've eventually ended up arguing about the same thing you're agreeing on. :laugh:

yes i kno thank you, she just repeated wat i just said lol i been saying that since last nite hahahaha. she just wants to be right at all cost, when we been sayin the same thing over and over lmao

[Nemo]

Actually, the only thing I was arguing is that not all relationships end up in the ****ter, like she stated multiple times. All I said was that her experiences do not represent all relationships and anything is possible. Optimism just seems to mean naivety around here. It's not my problem if the only window she sees through is her own. *shrug* I've said I know not every relationship lasts forever and ever (because that is part of life), I'd just rather look forward to a long-lasting marriage than expect it to fall apart at the seams.

I agree whole-heartedly, it's just at some points you were using different points to explain the same thing. The whole original point of the discussion kinda got lost. :laugh:

If we look at every case gone wrong in love, then we might as well just kill ourselves and save us time. I'd rather have hope from relationships that have gone well.

[Nemo]

yes i kno thank you, she just repeated wat i just said lol i been saying that since last nite hahahaha. she just wants to be right at all cost, when we been sayin the same thing over and over lmao

In any case, you're both agreeing on the same thing, just looking at it from different lenses! :laugh:

So to speak, of course.

[vatefairefoutre]

*bangs head against wall*

Oh my God. Do I speak Chinese or something?

HAHA

ding chang wonggg?

:laugh:

[Nemo]

The original point of the discussion was that love should be the foundation of all relationships, and somehow that made me naive.

Ah that's not naive. Love is powerful but some people feel it wrongly or abuse it, or it fades, or those two people simply don't work together.

[Nemo]

*bangs head against wall*

Oh my God. Do I speak Chinese or something?

:-?

was that for me? :laugh:

[Nemo]

Yes, but that does not happen in all relationships, right? Not all love is doomed to dissolve from the start, right? That was the only point I was ever trying to make!

No they don't. I do agree on that.

[tokiohotelcrazy08]

I guess it depends on luck or whatever you believe in. idk Life has mysterious ways so no one actually knows. lol

[Nemo]

I dunno, do my posts look like this to you?

我愛花生和櫻桃

If not, then no. :laugh: :laugh: ;)

Oooh pretty! :laugh: ;)

OK. I just get paranoid like that sometimes.